Hurrah hurrah, I’ve found another convict………..(sort of )

This one makes me smile, though I can’t imagine eight days in a Regency prison was much fun.

British Library

James Herbert is the father of the splendidly named Clementina Penn, and Esther Penn’s grandfather. In 1841, he was living in Ossulston Street, in St Pancras, beside the present-day British Library, with his wife Esther, and six daughters. He describes himself as a tea dealer. By 1851, he is in Phoenix Street, round the corner from Ossulton St,also in St Pancras, with seven of nine children – five girls, and two boys. His eldest daughter Frances, then aged 16 is staying two roads up in Aldenham Road. James is now calling himself a grocer, and gives his place of birth as Gibraltar. 

JAMES HERBERT was indicted for stealing, on the 10th of March 1836, 1 fish, value 3s., the goods of Coles Tester. and tried on 4th April 1836

St John Street c. 1900
St John Street c. 1900

COLES TESTER . I am a fishmonger, and live in St. John-street. (St. John Street is on the edge of Smithfield, and Camberwell, about a mile and a half away from St Pancras, or about half an hour’s walk.)  On the 10th of March, about nine o’clock, I was in my back room, and saw the prisoner walk up and down by the shop window two or three times

At last I saw him take a cod fish. worth 3s.(£203.50 in today’s values), off my board, and walk away with it—he went one hundred or two hundred or two hundred yards with it—I walked after him, and said, “What did you take that fish for?”—he said, “I took it thought a lark”—he was quite a stranger to me—I said, “You must take it back to my door, “and I gave him in charge.

Prisoner’s Defence. A little while before this, I was in the hospital with a broken leg—this was the first day I left off crutches—I happened to meet a few friends, and got intoxicated, and this occurred through playing and larking along the street—I had no idea of felony.

GUILTY. Aged 42.—Recommended to mercy.— Confined Eight Days.

Reference Number: t18360404-929  www.oldbaileyonline.org

Hurrah hurrah, I’ve found a convict………..

This one gives me almost unadulterated joy. The only similar one was finding good old JROB mistreating his niece Pauline Roche in such a textbook Victorian villain manner that it would have been rejected by a publisher. If you haven’t seen it yet use the link on her name.

Robert Miles transportation 1818Robert Miles, born about 1798, was tried at the Old Bailey on the 6th of May 1818. He was found guilty of Larceny, and sentenced to seven years transportation. He was sent to New South Wales, on board the General Stuart leaving in July 1818. He was 20 years old, and according to the notes in the court register “an old offender”, so presumably it wasn’t a first offence. He is Esther Penn’s great-grandfather. He seems to have returned as soon as the sentence was up, and married in Tottenham in July 1826, eight years after the sentence.

So basically, he is a Norf London bad boy who got in a bit of bother with some laundry. Not quite the Dandy Highwayman……….or is he??

This is the court transcript from www.oldbaileyonline.org.

Old baileyROBERT MILES was indicted for stealing, on the 23d of April , one trunk, value 2s.; 18 shirts, value 5l.; 21 cravats, value 20s.; 20 pair of stockings, value 23s.; 15 handkerchiefs, value 10s.; two night-caps, value 1s.; six shifts, value 2l.; four sheets, value 10s.; eight table-cloths, value 2l.; three pillow-cases, value 3s., and two towels, value 2s. , the goods of George Woodfall . A total of £ 12. 11s. Aproximately £15,140.00 in today’s money. 

So maybe bad boy Bobby was on to something. Anyway back to the trial.

SECOND COUNT, the same, only stating them to be the property of William Rance 

MARY BERRYMAN. I am laundress to Mr. George Woodfall , who lives at Shepperton. On the 23d of April I sent a box, containing the articles stated in the indictment, to town. I delivered it to Rance, to take to Great Dean’s-yard, Westminster.

WILLIAM RANCE. I am a carrier from Chertsey to London. I received the box from Berryman, and brought it safe to the White Horse, in Friday-street , on Thursday night, the 23d of April. I did not unload the waggon until next morning. I do not know what became of it.

CHARLES STARK . I am servant to Rance. About half-past nine o’clock at night, I got into the waggon at the White Horse, and fell over the box; it laid on the chaff that I wanted for the horses – I left it safe in the waggon.

JOHN TILLEY . I am a watchman of Whitechapel. On the 23d of April, about a quarter past ten o’clock at night, I came up with three men in French-street – each of them had a bundle; I attacked the last man, he dropped his bundle and escaped-the other two turned the corner. I sprang my rattle and pursued, calling Stop thief! I picked up another bundle at the corner of Halifax-street, the prisoner was taken in Halifax-street. He is not the man who escaped.

JOHN COKELEY. I am a watchman of Spitalfields, which joins Whitechapel. I heard the rattle sprung, went to the corner of Halifax-street, and saw the prisoner with a bundle; he laid it down on a step. I pursued, calling Stop thief! A man who stood at a door, stopped him – He did not run above ten yards, and was not out of my sight. I am sure he is the man.

JOHN WILSON . I am a carpenter. I came out, hearing the alarm, and heard some person running on the other side of the way; I crossed over, and collared the prisoner, the watchman came to my assistance. On going along Osborn-street he was rescued from us. I took him again, and am sure he is the man. I put him in the watch-house.

RICHARD PLUNKETT . I am a beadle. The prisoner and property were delivered to me at the watch-house.

Prisoner’s Defence. I was passing and the man caught me.

Robert Miles sentance 1818
Robert Miles sentence 6th May 1818

GUILTY . Aged 20.

Transported for Seven Years .

Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Recorder.

Reference Number: t18180506-87

The children of Roger Purssell and Charlotte Peachey

Roger Purssell, 1783 – 1861 and Charlotte Peachey 1789 – 1886 had the following children according to a copy of the entries in a family bible.

  • Purssell letter006
    Copied entries in a Purssell family bible

    Charlotte 1811 -1812

  • John Roger 1812 -1821
  • Joseph 1815-
  • William 1816 -1821
  • James 1821 –
  • John Roger 1823 –
  • Edmund 1825 -1833
  • Frances Jane 1827 -1914 (Mother St George)
  • Alfred Purssell 1831 -1896?/97 (Grandpapa)

This didn’t prove to be as accurate as it appears. It certainly gives the impression that  Alfred and Frances are the only ones who survived into adult life which isn’t the case, and I think there are a few more children who died young, who may yet turn up

But the following is more accurate.

  • Charlotte 1811 -1869 in London
  • John Roger 1812 -1821
  • Joseph 1815- 1888 died in Victoria, Australia
  • William 1816 -1870 probably in Pangbourne, Berkshire
  • James 1821 – March 4, 1887 in New York City
  • John Roger 1823 – 1902 in London
  • Edmund 1825 -1833
  • France Jane 1827 -1914 (Mother St George) in Norwood
  • Alfred  1831 -1897 

The Purssells in 1851

By  1851 most of the family are bakers or confectioners, although Joe is a butcher. He is married, with two daughters and living at 3 Wellington Street, in Bethnal Green. Joe Purssell’s first wife is Mary Ann Forsbrey. They marry at St George’s the Martyr, Southwark on 1st October 1940. He is 25, and she is 23. Her father Joseph Forsbrey is a butcher.He and his first wife Mary Anne Foresbury may have had more children. But at that  point they had seven year old Mary Jane, and Priscilla Grace who died the following year, and is buried at Christ Church Spitalfields aged 3yrs 10 months. His son William is born in 1852, the same year Priscilla dies.

He emigrates to Australia sometime between 1852  and 1860 where marries Mary Ann Crook (1837–1893) in Australia in 1860. He is 45 she is 23.  It is also unclear whether Mary Ann 1 has died, or whether he has a bigamous marriage to Mary Ann 2. Joe and Mary Ann 2  have a daughter Martha who is born in 1860 and dies in 1861, and another daughter, Emma who is born in 1863 and dies in 1874, and Joseph Benjamin Purssell who is born and dies in 1865.

In the meantime Mary Jane, and William, Joe’s children from his first marriage  emigrate to Australia arriving in Melbourne on 29 Aug 1864. Mary Jane appears to stay in Australia, and dies in Williamstown, Victoria in 1927.

Charlotte is living at 118 Cheapside, and lists herself as a shopkeeper, though the 1856 London Post Office Directory calls her a biscuit baker. She is listed on the line below James and Alfred.

Purssell James and Alfred, biscuit bakers, 78 & 80 Cornhill, & 4 & 5 Finch Lane

Purssell Charlotte (Miss), biscuit baker, 119 Cheapside

Thirty five year old William is also married, to Eliza Newman, and living at 3 Lea Road (parish St Mary’s Leyton). The ages they give in the census, 40, and 37, are doubtful, but the rest of the details – his profession – confectioner, and place of birth- Limehouse, are right. Eliza is an Essex girl, born at Stanford Beeches.  William was in partnership with James, trading as William and James Purssell, in Cornhill.Wm & Jas Purssell

They dissolve the partnership in March 1854, probably when William decides to retire.

Twenty nine year old James is living above the premises in Cornhill, and the census return is for one building comprising 78 and 80 Cornhill, & 4 French Court. On the census return, James says he is employing thirty three men, four women, and two boys. He and his twenty one year old wife Eliza (nee West) are sharing the building with 4 house servants, 3 shopmen, 4 biscuit bakers, 4 porters, and a stock keeper.

James and family move to New York in 1859, where he set up a catering business on Broadway near Twenty-First Street.

John Roger is also living above the shop, but in his case 20 Ludgate Hill, just down from St Paul’s and advertising himself as

John R. Purssell & Comp., 20, Ludgate Hill, opposite the Old Bailey : French and Italian ices to-day. “French, English and Italian confectioners. Dinners, rout and ball suppers provided.”

“Soups and jellies, a large assortment of pastry, biscuits, cakes, &c. A large refreshment room for ladies and gentlemen.”

He had married Elizabeth Davies on January 11 1848 at St Pancras Church, with both of them shown as living in Euston Grove. By 1851, twenty six year old John had two sons, two year old John Junior, and one year old Alfred. Both the boys are listed as being born in the parish of St Martin’s Ludgate, so presumably at 20 Ludgate Hill. John says he is employing five men, and has two confectioner journeymen, and a waiter living at Ludgate Hill, along with two female household servants. It is a very young household, the oldest person is 27 year old Catherine Diddy who is one of the servants. The shop staff are a good London mix resembling a branch of Costa Coffee today with an east-ender, a French confectioner, and a German waiter.

Alfred, the youngest brother,(he’s 20) is also living above the shop at 10 Hart Lane in the City. 5 New London Street is also shown on the census return. He calls himself a confectioner & baker, and says he is the brother of the head of the household. I think we can safely assume that Hart Lane is John’s bakery. Alfred is sharing the house with Thomas Joyce and William Payne, both bread bakers, James Ridge a fifteen year old errand boy, and Hannah Pennal, a general servant from Hull.

Adding together the households at Ludgate Hill, and Hart Lane would give the correct number of employees for John’s business, and it makes sense to have them living in-house, and for a member of the family to be on each premises. It also makes sense for the youngest member of the family to be doing the hard work, and baking was a tough business.

According to A.N. Wilson in The Victorians, the baking life was a tough one. It only became worse during the London Season when bread orders increased. Eleven at night was the start of a baker’s day, when he made the dough. He was able to sleep on the job for a couple of hours while the bread rose, then had to do the rest of the physical tasks of preparing rolls and loaves. Kneading was sometimes done with feet, perhaps making for a less-than-clean product. The bakehouse was alarmingly hot as well, up to ninety degrees Fahrenheit. Some bakers had to deliver the bread they made, too. They only had five to ten hours off per day and all but none during the Season. Wilson says statistics show London bakers rarely lived past the age of forty-two. Wilson, A.N.,  The Victorians, 2011.

Finally, Frances Jane, the future Mother St George is living in the Convent of the Faithful Virgin, Norwood where she had been professed a nun at the age of 21 in 1848. In just over three years time, she will be with Florence Nightingale at the Crimean War.

The Ladies make a point…….

I really like the fact that both these two make a point about how to treat refugees….. Just so you know who they are, Alan O’Bryen, Lady O’B’s son marries Lady RP’s grandaughter

Lady O'Bryen
Lady O’B

Letter from the Mayoress of Hampstead September 1914

From The Tablet Page 18, 12th September 1914

ST. DOMINIC’S, HAVERSTOCK HILL: BELGIAN REFUGEES.— The St. Dominic’s Parish Magazine publishes the following letter from the Mayoress of Hampstead (Mrs. E. O’Bryen) on behalf of Belgian Refugees in the district : “I appeal to the inhabitants of Hampstead for the Belgian Refugees, who consist mainly of women and children, and who are arriving here in hundreds almost daily. After the gallant resistance that Belgium has offered, with the result that their country is overrun by the German army, it is only right that we here in England, who are luckily exempt from this scourge of invasion, should do something to help these people who have lost their homes and all they possess. They are arriving absolutely penniless, and in most cases with only the clothes they stand up in. The War Refugees Committee have asked me (i.e., the Mayoress) to make a Refugee centre in Hampstead, and I shall be glad to hear of any lady or gentleman willing to offer a home to one or more Refugees, and would ask them to apply personally to me here at the Town Hall, Haverstock Hill, giving me particulars as to the numbers and sexes of the Refugees they would be willing to accommodate. Those who are unable to help in this way would be giving great assistance by sending any clothes, new or old, for the use of these Refugees, either to me here (at the Town Hall), marked : ‘For the Belgian Refugees,” or direct to the general receiving office, 39, St. George’s Road, S.W.”

Lady RP’s Appeal for Montenegrin Families 1912

From The Tablet Page 28, 19th October 1912

Lady RP
Lady Roper Parkington

FOR MONTENEGRIN FAMILIES.

SIR,—May I appeal through your columns for help on behalf of the families of the brave Montenegrins who are fighting in the present sad war? They are so very poor that all contributions will be welcome, either in the form of money or provisions, such as tinned food, &c. ; blankets or woollen clothing especially will be acceptable, their mountain climate being extremely severe in the winter.

I will undertake to forward any goods which your readers may be kind enough to send me. Cheques should be crossed ” Union of London and Smith’s Bank,” and large parcels should be addressed, carriage paid, to Lady Roper Parkington, Montenegrin Consulate, 24, Crutched Friars, E.C.

Yours faithfully,

MARIE LOUISE PARKINGTON. 58, Green Street, Park Lane, W.,

October 16, 1912.

A Table of Kindred and Affinity from the Book of Common Prayer

I’ve stuck this in because there seems to be quite a lot of family marrying family. I think canon law is broadly similar in the Catholic Church, but this came to hand first.

common-prayer
Book of Common Prayer 1551

The Book of Common Prayer 

A TABLE OF KINDRED AND AFFINITY WHEREIN WHOSOEVER ARE RELATED ARE FORBIDDEN BY THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND TO MARRY TOGETHER.

A man may not marry his:

  • Mother
  • Daughter
  • Father’s mother
  • Mother’s mother
  • Son’s daughter
  • Daughter’s daughter
  • Sister
  • Father’s daughter
  • Mother’s daughter
  • Wife’s mother
  • Wife’s daughter
  • Father’s wife
  • Son’s wife
  • Father’s father’s wife
  • Mother’s father’s wife
  • Wife’s father’s mother
  • Wife’s mother’s mother
  • Wife’s son’s daughter
  • Wife’s daughter’s daughter
  • Son’s son’s wife
  • Daughter’s son’s wife
  • Father’s sister
  • Mother’s sister
  • Brother’s daughter
  • Sister’s daughter

A woman may not marry her:

  • Father
  • Son
  • Father’s father
  • Mother’s father
  • Son’s son
  • Daughter’s son
  • Brother
  • Father’s son
  • Mother’s son
  • Husband’s father
  • Husband’s son
  • Mother’s husband
  • Daughter’s husband
  • Father’s mother’s husband
  • Mother’s mother’s husband
  • Husband’s father’s father
  • Husband’s mother’s father
  • Husband’s son’s son
  • Husband’s daughter’s son
  • Son’s daughter’s husband
  • Daughter’s daughter’s husband
  • Father’s brother
  • Mother’s brother
  • Brother’s son
  • Sister’s son

Theft from William Purssell – August 1849.

Old bailey
Courtroom No 1, Old Bailey

Case number: 1520. ALEXANDER DAVIDSON stealing 1 firkin, and 125lbs. weight of butter, value 5l. 10s.; the goods of William Purssell, his master.

MR. PAYNE conducted the Prosecution. 

WILLIAM PURSSELL . I am a biscuit-baker, of Cornhill; the prisoner was in my employ on 23d May—he had the charge of all the goods that came in—I have been shown a firkin of butter by the policeman; it was mine, and had my mark on it; I had not sold it—the prisoner had no authority to part with it—it was to be used in my business—his salary was 1l. 5s. per week—he left about one o’clock on 23d May, and I received this note from him—(read—”Mr. Purssell,—I have been taken so ill, and so suddenly, that I expect I shall have to go to the hospital; should I recover, you will hear from me. A. D.”—I did not see him again for about two months, when he was in custody.

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Copy of a print of Purssell’s kitchen in Cornhill in 1840

 

SAMUEL HARBOTTLE (City-policeman, 584). On 23d May, between eleven and twelve o’clock, I was in King William-street, and saw Morley with a firkin of butter—I spoke to him, and he pointed out a woman behind him—she got away while I was taking the firkin off his shoulder—I took it to the prosecutor—the prisoner was afterwards taken in York; I do not know when—I went to his house in Swan-court, in the Borough—I made inquiries at the hospitals, but could not find him.

HENRY MORLEY . I was stopped by the policeman in King William-street, with the firkin of butter—I got it from the prisoner at Mr. Purcell’s, in Cornhill—I was to follow a woman with it, who was outside the door, and take it where she pointed out—she went away, and I never saw her afterwards.

Prisoner’s Defence. I never saw this man; I was ill.

Newgate-prison-exercise-yard. Gustave Dore 1872

GUILTY . Aged 30.— Confined Nine Months.

(There was another indictment against the prisoner.)

It’s not clear where he was imprisoned, but Newgate prison was next door to the Bailey until 1902.

All courtesy ofwww.oldbaileyonline.org

Reference Number: t18490820-1520. 

Roger Purssell 1783 – 1861 and Charlotte Peachey 1789 – 1886

St Anne Limehouse

Roger Purssell 1783 – 1861 married Charlotte Peachey 1789 – 1886 in 1810 at St Anne’s Church in Limehouse.

They are Lady O’B’s grandparents.

Charlotte was born on the 19th January 1791 in Limehouse, and christened at St Anne’s church on the 13th February that year. Her Parents are listed as William and Frances Peachey.  

Roger was also born in Limehouse, and christened at St Anne’s church on 31 Jul 1783; his parents were Roger and Grace Purssell.

Roger seems to have died in the spring of 1861 in Mile End, aged 77. Charlotte died as late as 1886 in Romford aged 96.

Roger was sufficiently prosperous to be listed in the electoral roll in 1802, as the owner occupier of a freehold house in Limehouse. The 1802 election was the first to be held after the formation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The new Parliament was summoned to meet on 31 August 1802.

I suspect further research will prove him to be quite a substantial property owner in London and the East End.

According to a copy of the entries in a family bible they had the following children.

  • Entries from a Purssell family bible

    Charlotte 1811 -1812

  • John Roger 1812 -1821
  • Joseph 1815- 
  • William 1816 -1821
  • James 1821 –
  • John Roger 1823 –
  • Edmund 1825 -1833
  • Frances Jane 1827 -1914 (Mother St George)
  • Alfred Purssell 1831 -1896?/97 (Grandpapa)

As with quite a few family documents, it is useful but not entirely accurate. Charlotte’s dates are slightly wrong, and initially it led me to assume that only Alfred, and Frances had survived to adulthood. In fact all, but the elder John Roger, and Edmund did, and I’ll come back to them in other posts

Roger and Charlotte can first be traced to London in 1851 living in a shared house in Mile End at 1 Saville Place (Mile End Old Town, Trinity parish, Tower Hamlets)with Mary Grace, a 66 year old widow from Limerick, and two of her grandsons who are teenagers. Roger Purssell is 67, and listed as a retired baker born in Limehouse.  Charlotte aged 61 also gives her place of birth as Limehouse.

The neighbours include a beer seller next door at no.2, a greengrocer and his wife, and a jailor at no.3. and a blacksmith/bell hanger at no 5.

There is no trace of them in the 1861 census, and Roger certainly died that year, so may well have died before the census was taken on the 7th April. Charlotte reappears in 1871 at 350 Mile End Road, as an 81 year old widow living on independent means, with a  16 year old servant girl, Mary Isacs.

By 1871, Alfred has re-married, to Ellen Ware, in Exeter in 1865, as a 34 year old widower with a daughter. Charlotte Purssell Jnr has died in London in 1869 at Alf’s house. James is in New York. William is dead. Joe is in Australia. There is no entry for John Roger Purssell in either the 1871, or 1881 censuses, and he appears to have also gone to Australia, though he returns by 1891. 

It is mildly curious that she isn’t living in Alfred’s house in 49 Finsbury Square, but then again, as he has five children under the age of six living at home, and two housemaids, two nurses, and a cook living there perhaps she just wanted to live somewhere quieter in the East End.

George Foreman 1802 – 1870?

Emily Foreman married John Gray on October 21st 1883 at St Philip’s Church Camberwell,when he is 63 and she is 25. George Foreman Senior is Emily’s grandfather.

George Foreman Snr was born in 1802,  in Warminster, Wiltshire,and christened on the 9th May, 1802. His father was Emmanuel Foreman, and his mother was Mary Homes. They appear to have been married on 12 Jan 1789 in Warminster.

 

Holy Trinity, Froome

George Senior was a wheelwright, and married Eliza Laverton on 15 Dec 1825 at Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset. Eliza Foreman was born in about 1804, in Shepton Mallet,Somerset. Eliza died between in the autumn of 1860. They are my great great great grandparents. (breaking the rule here ‘cos I wanted to work out exactly who they were.)

 

George and Eliza had nine children.

  • George Foreman Jnr. b. 1827
  • Walter Foreman b.1829
  • Seleana Foreman b. 1833
  • John Laverton Foreman b.1834
  • Richard Foreman b. 1835
  • Josh Foreman b. 1837
  • Albert Foreman b. 1840
  • Alfred E Foreman b.1844
  • Sophia A Foreman b. 1847

All the children were born and christened in Bristol, apart from George Jnr who was born in Warminster, and Walter who was born in Frome. So for about 17 years they were in the parish of St Mary’s Redcliffe, and then briefly in the parish of Bedmington. The first record we have is the 1841 census where the family are living in Nelson Place in Bristol.

By 1851 the family had moved to Nursery Row, Mimms Side, Barnet in Hertfordshire.  Where George Foreman Snr was working as a wheelwright, and George Jnr, then aged 24, as a coach wheelwright. 18 year old John was a labourer,  and Josh (Joseph) Foreman was a14 year old errand boy. Albert, Alfred, and Sophia were all at school.  There is no trace of Seleana, Richard, or Walter, though Walter re-surfaces again in 1871.

By 1861, 22 year old Albert has joined the army and is serving as a gunner in the Royal Artillery, and is in Woolwich Barracks.  George Senior is living in Southwark with Joseph, Alfred, and Sophia. Eliza died the previous year.  JLF is married, living at 17 White Place, Bermondsey with 2 year old Emily, and his 71 year old widowed mother-in-law. It is not clear where George and Walter are, though both reappear in 1871. There is no evidence at all of Seleana  after 1841.

There is no real evidence of George Senior after this, so he is likely to have died prior to the 1871 census. He would have been 69 years old by then.  The only possible, but highly improbable, record is of a George Foreman, born in 1805 who died in Lewisham in 1896 aged 91.

 

John Laverton Foreman 1833 – 1885

Emily Foreman marries John Gray on October 21st 1883 at St Philip’s Church Camberwell,when he is 63 and she is 25, and are both shown living at 746 Old Kent Road. George (Laverton) Foreman III, her brother, is one of the witnesses not John Laverton Foreman, Emily’s father.

St Mary's Redcliffe Bristol
St Mary’s Redcliffe Bristol

John Laverton Foreman was born in Bristol and baptised on 28 Apr 1833 at St Mary Redcliffe. So he is my great great grandfather. He is the son of George and Eliza Foreman.

He is the third son of nine children

    • George Foreman Jnr. b. 1827
    • Walter Foreman b.1829
    • Seleana Foreman b. 1833
    • John Laverton Foreman b.1834
    • Richard Foreman b. 1835
    • Josh Foreman b. 1837
    • Albert Foreman b. 1840
    • Alfred E Foreman b.1844
    • Sophia A Foreman b. 1847
St John the Evangelist, Lambeth

John Laverton Foreman married Catherine Montgomery on 26 Dec 1857 at St John the Evangelist, Lambeth. His father George Foreman was a wheelwright Her father Thomas Montgomery was a watch finisher, and watchmaker originally from Dublin.

His father George Foreman Snr was born in 1802,  and christened 9 May 1802 in Warminster, Wiltshire. His father was Immanuel Foreman, and his mother was called Mary. George was a wheelwright, from Warminster in Wiltshire. George married Eliza Laverton on 15 Dec 1825 at Holy Trinity, Frome, Somerset. Eliza Foreman was born in about 1804, in Shepton Mallet,Somerset. Eliza died between Oct and Dec 1860. They are my great great great grandparents.

Prior to their marriage Catherine is living with her parents in Shoreditch. In 1851 they are at 49 Mary Street, Shoreditch. Thomas Montgomery was born abt 1790 in Dublin. Ellen Montgomery seems to have been born in Liverpool in about 1791.

  • 1851 census
  • Thomas Montgomery 61 watch finisher
  • Ellen Montgomery 60.   Ellen was born in Liverpool.
  • Catharine Montgomery 19,  she is John Laverton Foreman’s first wife
  • Joseph Wilkes 26.  Joe is Tom’s son in law, and is a gun maker
  • Anna Wilkes 26.  Ann is Catherine’s sister
  • Joseph Wilkes 2.  Joseph Jnr is Catherine’s nephew
  • Emma Wilkes 3 months. Emma is Catherine’s niece
  • Matilda Burney 33.  Both Catherine and Anna are waistcoat makers as is Matilda.

Thomas has died by 1861, and Ellen then lives with JLF, and Catherine. In both 1861,and 1871, she is living with them.

In 1861, John L Foreman, 27, is living at17 White Place, Bermondsey, and working as a boilermaker in Hammersmith.  Catherine, 28, is working as a waistcoat maker, and in this census is shown as born in Liverpool; like her sister Anna. Ten years later, her birthplace is given once again as Dublin, which is what it was in 1851, and 1871. Emily aged 2 is living with them, and Catherine’s mother, aged 71 is also living with them.

By 1871, they have moved to 27 Mint Street, Bermondsey. John Foreman, aged 38, is shown as a smith in Hammersmith, born in Bristol. Catherine, aged 39, is still a waistcoat maker, but once again born in Dublin. They now have two children, Emily aged 12, and George (L) Foreman III, aged 9. Ellen Montgomery now aged 81, is still living with them.

Catherine has died somewhere between the 1871 and 1881 censuses, and JLF is living with 19 year old George  who is described as a Teacher (Unemployed  Schoolmaster), and Emily who is 22. They are living at 12 Darwin Street in Bermondsey, at the far end of, what is now, Tower Bridge Road. John describes himself as an iron smith, and widower. He is 48 years old.

John Laverton Foreman  remarries in 1883 on 11th  January as a 47 yo widower to Eliza Sparrow, 39 at St Mary Magdalene, Southwark. Her parents are witnesses. his father’s profession is a wheelwright, and her father Elijah Sparrow is a gardener.  Both are living at 12 Darwin Street, which just off the Old Kent Road, and Tower Bridge Road.

John dies between Oct and Dec 1885 aged 52 in Camberwell.